More Boeing Bad News

[Pontius Navigator]

Saw a video of an F4 spinning in from 60k+. The effective recovert technique appeared to be a double ejection. The subsequent landing caused minimal damage.

[Undried Plum]

[Slasher]

Bit clearer here:

https://tiny.iavian.net/wxs1

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

It's just a straight lie.
The objective is complete automation.
If they wanted pilots to better understand complex situations, then they'd simplify the situations*, not add even more automatics.
They'd also give pilots more handling time.


*e.g. Give Me The F#cking Airplane button.

[Slasher]

Like I inferred a page back, the Boeing solution to automation screwups is now to invent more bloody automation FFS!

The ‘pilot and dog’ concept doesn’t look funny anymore.

[boing]

This is just a variation on the "blame it on the pilots" theme.
Surely any sound thinking individual must see the fault in the logic here but it is probably just what the airline industry wants.

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[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Not only 'pilot and dog' situation, but it'll be a robodog

Meanwhile, back at the accountants (latest data):
Boeing free cash flow (annual to end Q3: $bn)
Q3 2016 5.7
Q3 2017 9.2
Q3 2018 11.3
Q3 2019 -1.3


Q2 2019 was 1.6, so Boeing are now losing money as a whole.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/char ... -cash-flow

I am not aware that any breakdown of these figures is available yet, probably not till the end year figures are available around March. Thus this could be anything from Boeing taking a big loss now in terms of payouts to customers, etc, to them still hiding the consequences of the MAX grounding and worse is to follow. Looking at the general trend would seem to indicate a steady dropoff in revenue.

[Woody]

Glad that I’m not a shareholder

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... YZ0A4?il=0

[PHXPhlyer]

What Else Could Go Wrong?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/05/business ... index.html

PP

[Slasher]

Glad that I’m not a shareholder

Thing is mate Boeing will never be permitted to fail. I bloody wish I had’ve been able to buy into its stock back in 2008/2009.

Since the first MAX prang I have been hoping for a share price of $280 or less, to sell at $400 or more (which in my case takes into full account how much I’m capable of investing vs all the bother vs anticipated inflation vs eventual profit taking). Look at today’s chart:

The problem has been mediocre volume the whole year. Volume IMO is the key secret on when to keep a round the clock eye and bid accordingly. This unfortunately hasn’t happened and I suspect the majority of non-speculative shareholders will keep their scrip and accept a lower dividend for a couple of years.

PS: Boeing’s arm sales for the past 2 years is worth having a gander at too, despite it not being its core business.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

The FAA have now found two wiring harnesses possibly too close together in the tail
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/05/busi ... 7-max.html
More money, more delays, more reasons for the investigators to look even harder.

[PHXPhlyer]

What's next?

Lightning protection
Bad wiring
Suspect engine rotors...

PP

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Well,
First, as I said at the beginning, who knows? Their quality control procedures are basically non-existant now and they've clearly hired a bunch of cheap numpties to do some of the work.
Second, I'm sure they'll find more stuff anyway. They'd find stuff if they looked at the Airbus 321Neo this closely. There's always been stuff wrong with every aircraft ever made, both on individual aircraft and fleet-wide. The first thing the RAF did with a brand new aircraft was pull it apart to see what the factory had f#cked up on. Worth remembering if you were the pilot collecting it from the factory for the delivery flight!

[boing]

Yep, had landing gear partially fail to lower and bent it a bit on touchdown. 11 hours on the clock. Some one forgot the locking wire.

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[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

They found a large bolt under the nav's ejection seat in one of the new Tornados I'd delivered. It had been there at the cockpit spray stage as it had been sprayed over, and the paint was the only thing stopping it rolling about. Luckily I never liked negative 'g' ! Another guy had one of the nav's control panels end up in his lap on first take-off after delivery. That was missed by both the factory and the RAF check. There were no screws at all holding it. Just as well it was the nav's not one of the pilot's

[Pontius Navigator]

Fox, remember 'what's green and eats Hercs?' The green sided brown paper sheet ideal for keeping rubber boot prints off the fuel tanks.I

Similar problem in Victors IIRC.
Domine, they found the concealed fuselage keel work was unpainted. The aircraft had only been in service 25 years.

[Boac]

A three-legged riveter's stool (NO - not for a three-legged riveter.....) was found in an Orion's tank.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

ISTR being told there was a panel in the JP or Tucano behind which lay a starter relay, and it happened to be in the centre of where the roundel was painted. It therefore became habit for the groundcrew to thump the roundel when dealing with startup problems. On one newish aircraft, the groundcrew guy's fist went right through the fuselage. The panel had been removed at some point in assembly, papered over as per SOP to stop FOD getting in, but then never replaced and the paper just sprayed over during the paint job.

[Rwy in Sight]

From the CNN article:

The company informed the FAA last month that it is looking into whether two sections of wiring that control the tail of the plane are too close together and could cause a short circuit — and potentially a crash, if pilots did not react appropriately

How could a pilot react appropriately if there is a short circuit - besides maybe rapidly isolate the circuit?

F3 how many Tornados have you taken delivery from the factory? Plus I thought there is a pre-delivery flight to find out any issues.

[Pontius Navigator]

RiS, checks are comprehensive but there will inevitably be some manoeuvre or whatever that discloses something. An American incident comes to mind. A B58 either out of servicing or deeper maintenance, the moment the pilot rotated all his flight displays shut down apart from turn and slip.

The nav talked him through the climb out and they started to fault find. The entire panel was secured with just 4 bolts and electrical connection was only by butt contact. Pushing the panel restored everything.