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Today marks the anniversary of Nabka.
Not being up on Palestinian and Israeli history I was shocked to read about this occurrence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Palestinians forced to flee Rafah as Gazans mark bitter Nakba anniversary
Tens of thousands of people have also been internally displaced in northern Gaza amid fresh fighting in the area.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isra ... rcna152314
Palestinians on Wednesday marked the anniversary of their expulsion from what is now Israel facing a new mass displacement, as thousands more fled Rafah in the face of a deepening Israeli military operation.
Hundreds of thousands of people have been driven out of the city in southern Gaza, once declared a “safe zone,” since Israel ordered evacuations and sent in ground forces — largely shutting the two main border crossings for an area desperately short of food and fuel.
Defying U.S. pressure, Israel has pursued a campaign it says is focused on Hamas militants, but many Palestinians say the situation in Gaza is now a humanitarian catastrophe like the “Nakba” of 1948, when around 700,000 Palestinians were forced from their homes for the founding of Israel.
“The memory of the Nakba once again returns to our minds. We used to live with this painful memory, mainly because we heard about it from our ancestors, we studied in our schools, and we always browsed the information that talked about it,” Mohamed Garboa, 34, told an NBC News’ crew in Gaza Wednesday after fleeing Rafah to Muwasi, a nearby coastal area where Israel has promised an “expanded humanitarian area” will await people.
“But this time, we are living the Nakba again and witnessing what is happening around us,” he said. “We are suffering once again from the Israeli war machinery. What happened in 1948 is now happening on a larger and more complicated scale,” he added.
Echoing his comments, Umm Mohammed, an 80-year-old who survived the “Nakba,” said there was no “no catastrophe worse” than the one currently unfolding in Gaza.
“Our homes have gone, our children have gone, our property has gone, our gold has gone, our incomes have gone — nothing is left, Mohammed said in an interview with Reuters in Rafah on Wednesday. “What is left for us to cry over?”
Protests marking the anniversary of the Nakba have erupted around the world over recent days, calling for a cease-fire to bring the more than seven months of fighting in Gaza to an end.
More than 35,000 people have been killed in the Palestinian enclave since Israel launched its deadly offensive, local health officials say, following Hamas' Oct. 7 attacks in which some 1,200 people were killed and around 250 others were taken hostage into Gaza, according to Israeli officials.
Nearly a quarter of Gaza's population has been displaced anew in just the past week.
Some 450,000 have fled from Rafah since Israel launched its operations in the city on May 6, according to UNRWA, the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees.
“People face constant exhaustion, hunger and fear. Nowhere is safe,” UNRWA said in a post on X on Tuesday.
Meanwhile, in northern Gaza, families have also been displaced by fresh fighting in areas that Israel previously said it had cleared of Hamas' presence. As of Monday, some 100,000 people had been displaced there, Farhan Haq, Deputy Spokesman for the United Nations Secretary-General said in a news briefing that day.
Many have fled to areas in Muwasi and Khan Younis in central Gaza following the Israeli military’s evacuation orders, while others have gone to places like the city of Deir al-Balah and the Nuseirat camp in the north.
According to figures released by the Internal Displacement Monitoring Center on Tuesday, there were 3.4 million "new movements" in Gaza in the last quarter of 2023, leaving 1.7 million people internally displaced by the end of the year.
Internal displacement in the enclave contributed to a new record of 75.9 million internally displaced people around the world by the end of 2023, the organization said.
"In just three months, 83% of the strip's population was internally displaced," Vicente Anzellini, global and regional analysis manager at the IDMC, told NBC News in a phone interview. And, he noted: "Many people were told to evacuate to areas that got bombed," echoing an NBC News investigation highlighting a series of deadly strikes in areas that had explicitly been designated safe zones.
The repeated displacements, Anzellini said, have deepened a growing humanitarian crisis as aid deliveries into the enclave have been far and few between following the closures of both the Rafah and Kerem Shalom crossings last week.
The Israeli military has said the Kerem Shalom crossing was reopened, with an additional passageway, the "Western Erez" crossing, opened in coordination with the U.S., in order to allow aid in. But humanitarian groups maintain that only limited amounts of aid are flowing into the enclave.
alestinian husband and wife driven from their homes by Israeli forces, 1948
The 1948 Palestinian exodus, known in Arabic as the 'Nakba,' occurred when some 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled from their homes in what would become Israel.Universal / Getty Images
Meanwhile, a number of people identified as Israeli settlers could be seen appearing to damage and destroy aid bound for Gaza in video captured on Monday and geolocated by NBC News.
Those scenes drew criticism from Washington, increasingly at public odds with its close ally.
But the Biden administration is moving ahead with more than $1 billion in additional arms and ammunition to Israel, the Associated Press reported.
That's despite the U.S. seeing recent troop movement suggesting Israel could soon expand its operations in Rafah, which it has repeatedly warned against.
PP
Not being up on Palestinian and Israeli history I was shocked to read about this occurrence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Palestinians forced to flee Rafah as Gazans mark bitter Nakba anniversary
Tens of thousands of people have also been internally displaced in northern Gaza amid fresh fighting in the area.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isra ... rcna152314
Palestinians on Wednesday marked the anniversary of their expulsion from what is now Israel facing a new mass displacement, as thousands more fled Rafah in the face of a deepening Israeli military operation.
Hundreds of thousands of people have been driven out of the city in southern Gaza, once declared a “safe zone,” since Israel ordered evacuations and sent in ground forces — largely shutting the two main border crossings for an area desperately short of food and fuel.
Defying U.S. pressure, Israel has pursued a campaign it says is focused on Hamas militants, but many Palestinians say the situation in Gaza is now a humanitarian catastrophe like the “Nakba” of 1948, when around 700,000 Palestinians were forced from their homes for the founding of Israel.
“The memory of the Nakba once again returns to our minds. We used to live with this painful memory, mainly because we heard about it from our ancestors, we studied in our schools, and we always browsed the information that talked about it,” Mohamed Garboa, 34, told an NBC News’ crew in Gaza Wednesday after fleeing Rafah to Muwasi, a nearby coastal area where Israel has promised an “expanded humanitarian area” will await people.
“But this time, we are living the Nakba again and witnessing what is happening around us,” he said. “We are suffering once again from the Israeli war machinery. What happened in 1948 is now happening on a larger and more complicated scale,” he added.
Echoing his comments, Umm Mohammed, an 80-year-old who survived the “Nakba,” said there was no “no catastrophe worse” than the one currently unfolding in Gaza.
“Our homes have gone, our children have gone, our property has gone, our gold has gone, our incomes have gone — nothing is left, Mohammed said in an interview with Reuters in Rafah on Wednesday. “What is left for us to cry over?”
Protests marking the anniversary of the Nakba have erupted around the world over recent days, calling for a cease-fire to bring the more than seven months of fighting in Gaza to an end.
More than 35,000 people have been killed in the Palestinian enclave since Israel launched its deadly offensive, local health officials say, following Hamas' Oct. 7 attacks in which some 1,200 people were killed and around 250 others were taken hostage into Gaza, according to Israeli officials.
Nearly a quarter of Gaza's population has been displaced anew in just the past week.
Some 450,000 have fled from Rafah since Israel launched its operations in the city on May 6, according to UNRWA, the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees.
“People face constant exhaustion, hunger and fear. Nowhere is safe,” UNRWA said in a post on X on Tuesday.
Meanwhile, in northern Gaza, families have also been displaced by fresh fighting in areas that Israel previously said it had cleared of Hamas' presence. As of Monday, some 100,000 people had been displaced there, Farhan Haq, Deputy Spokesman for the United Nations Secretary-General said in a news briefing that day.
Many have fled to areas in Muwasi and Khan Younis in central Gaza following the Israeli military’s evacuation orders, while others have gone to places like the city of Deir al-Balah and the Nuseirat camp in the north.
According to figures released by the Internal Displacement Monitoring Center on Tuesday, there were 3.4 million "new movements" in Gaza in the last quarter of 2023, leaving 1.7 million people internally displaced by the end of the year.
Internal displacement in the enclave contributed to a new record of 75.9 million internally displaced people around the world by the end of 2023, the organization said.
"In just three months, 83% of the strip's population was internally displaced," Vicente Anzellini, global and regional analysis manager at the IDMC, told NBC News in a phone interview. And, he noted: "Many people were told to evacuate to areas that got bombed," echoing an NBC News investigation highlighting a series of deadly strikes in areas that had explicitly been designated safe zones.
The repeated displacements, Anzellini said, have deepened a growing humanitarian crisis as aid deliveries into the enclave have been far and few between following the closures of both the Rafah and Kerem Shalom crossings last week.
The Israeli military has said the Kerem Shalom crossing was reopened, with an additional passageway, the "Western Erez" crossing, opened in coordination with the U.S., in order to allow aid in. But humanitarian groups maintain that only limited amounts of aid are flowing into the enclave.
alestinian husband and wife driven from their homes by Israeli forces, 1948
The 1948 Palestinian exodus, known in Arabic as the 'Nakba,' occurred when some 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled from their homes in what would become Israel.Universal / Getty Images
Meanwhile, a number of people identified as Israeli settlers could be seen appearing to damage and destroy aid bound for Gaza in video captured on Monday and geolocated by NBC News.
Those scenes drew criticism from Washington, increasingly at public odds with its close ally.
But the Biden administration is moving ahead with more than $1 billion in additional arms and ammunition to Israel, the Associated Press reported.
That's despite the U.S. seeing recent troop movement suggesting Israel could soon expand its operations in Rafah, which it has repeatedly warned against.
PP
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Hamas continues to use the civilian population as shields, so the Israelis have no other options.
As for Nabka, remember that it came after the creation of the state of Israel.
Firstly, the The UN Committee on Palestine had no representatives from any of the surrounding nations or the Jews involved on it. This was counter to the stated Principles of the UN.
Secondly, only the area around Tel Aviv actually had a Jewish majority at the time, so the dimensions of the state proposed were also counter to UN Principles.
Thirdly, the Arab neighbours all invaded on the first day of nominal independence, but lost the 10 month war.
As with '67 and '73, the world is faced with a situation where the opponents of the Israeli state have broken the UN Principle of peaceful resolution of problems.
It logically follows that the state of Israel must take what land it needs from the land it has captured to ensure its security.
And morally, both the UN and the surrounding nations have lost their right to tell Israel what that is.
And it also needs to be remembered that Egypt and Jordan not only didn't make any moves to grant Palestinian independence for the 20 years they controlled those areas after 1948, but actively suppressed same.
Nor are we looking at a situation of restoring a Palestinian state - there has never been one. They've always been under the control of one empire or another.
As for Nabka, remember that it came after the creation of the state of Israel.
Firstly, the The UN Committee on Palestine had no representatives from any of the surrounding nations or the Jews involved on it. This was counter to the stated Principles of the UN.
Secondly, only the area around Tel Aviv actually had a Jewish majority at the time, so the dimensions of the state proposed were also counter to UN Principles.
Thirdly, the Arab neighbours all invaded on the first day of nominal independence, but lost the 10 month war.
As with '67 and '73, the world is faced with a situation where the opponents of the Israeli state have broken the UN Principle of peaceful resolution of problems.
It logically follows that the state of Israel must take what land it needs from the land it has captured to ensure its security.
And morally, both the UN and the surrounding nations have lost their right to tell Israel what that is.
And it also needs to be remembered that Egypt and Jordan not only didn't make any moves to grant Palestinian independence for the 20 years they controlled those areas after 1948, but actively suppressed same.
Nor are we looking at a situation of restoring a Palestinian state - there has never been one. They've always been under the control of one empire or another.
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Yeah and I must remind you that the Jews are God's chosen people.
Been in data comm since we formed the bits individually with a Morse key.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
, seriously.Quite an interesting one, about Gaza, but.
[military expert John] Spencer: War is hell, so I agree. People say, look at what’s being done. How can that be legal? And even if it is legal, it should stop. I’m saying, as a scholar of war in history, that war is hell. And that if you don’t move forward and finish the mission, you actually lead to much more human suffering than is the product of the war. This gets to almost a philosophy of war, that there should never be war, right?
There should never be war, but that’s not the history of mankind. I strongly want the laws of war upheld as a warrior. I want war contained. I do not want civilians targeted. There is no evidence that the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan ever targeted civilians, period, but have we done it in the past? Absolutely. Firebombing Tokyo, for instance. Our calculations about collateral damage are much different now, and we shouldn’t go back.
So I want the laws upheld, but the problem is that this is the really dangerous part of the accusations and perceptions and the byproduct of Israel’s war against Gaza: what it means to the future of democracies like the United States if in the next war — and God forbid if it’s a war of survival against some great power that has risen — we’re going to say there should be no civilian suffering.
Had there been social media during World War II, we might not be living in the world we currently live in. The Japanese and Germans might have won if their democratic adversaries believed the cost of resisting them was too high to be worth it.
Opinion: A military expert on why the US view on Israel’s fight against Hamas is a turning point for the worldAnd I’m saying that your very good intentions are going to lead to greater suffering. You are actually advocating for more war by trying to stop this war.
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Iran: The President's helicopter is down in fog-covered mountains.
No word on his condition, but the IRGC troops are on the streets of Tehran.
The report is that the helicopter had a 'hard landing'. However, 'hard landing' is often a euphemism for crash in that part of the World.
No evidence that this is anything other than a normal aviation accident, but needless to say everyone from Ukraine to the Mossad are being blamed already by one group or another.
No word on his condition, but the IRGC troops are on the streets of Tehran.
The report is that the helicopter had a 'hard landing'. However, 'hard landing' is often a euphemism for crash in that part of the World.
No evidence that this is anything other than a normal aviation accident, but needless to say everyone from Ukraine to the Mossad are being blamed already by one group or another.
