A grave mistake

[Boac]

So you agree - Syria now has the right to attack Israel?

You are right about a 'mess'.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

I think pretty much every country in the Middle East always has a legitimate reason to attack certain sites or people in every other country in the Middle East.
Terrorists here, arms there, other government-sponsored sedition everywhere.
It's just a question of whether, when, and how.

It's not just the Middle East, but all the other countries in the Middle East and South Asia who have assorted diaspora in other countries.
Canada is currently in a spat with India over a claimed assassination of a Sikh seperatist in Canada by the Indians.

It's an inevitable consequence of both unfettered immigration, and of the ancient truism that political expediency knows no law.
And it isn't helped by a staggeringly incompetent set of politicians worldwide, who get into so many 'emergencies' through their own corrupt short-sightedness that expediency is what they have to do most of the time.

In fact, I think I could make a reasonable case that every government is now doing nothing but expedient reactions to events that have overtaken them. Possibly the last bit of genuine future planning was for all the Climate Change Agenda deadlines, and they are already unravelling so fast their heads are spinning. And it isn't getting any better. Certainly in Canada, the government at all levels is doing literally nothing effective, nor do they have any practical plans to fix that.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Looks like the Israeli strikes on Damascus and Aleppo just happened to coincide with the imminent arrival of the Iranian Foreign Minister, causing his aircraft to turn back out of Syrian airspace and return to Tehran.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... c#3267b9af

Obviously just coincidence, and not a message that Iranian ministers will be killed if they continue supplying arms to terrorists.

[Dushan]

p.s. Air Canada has fired the pilot mentioned above.

Too bad Palestinian Airlines is no longer operating or he could have made captain, in short order, on their decrepit 727s.

[Woody]

Might not be relevant to this thread but!

A Nairobi to Heathrow flight was intercepted by the RAF and diverted to Stansted Airport over a "potential security threat".
A London Stansted spokeswoman said the Kenya Airways Boeing 787 "landed safely with Essex Police in attendance".
"The aircraft was escorted to a remote parking stand with normal flight operations now continuing," she said.
The plane was diverted to Stansted just before 15:45 BST.
Essex Police said: "We are currently attending an incident at Stansted Airport.
"A flight travelling from Nairobi to Heathrow was diverted to Stansted this afternoon. The airport remains open."
It also confirmed reports the RAF intercepted a Kenya Airways Boeing 787 en route from Nairobi to London Heathrow, but could not give any more details.
The plane is on the ground after landing at Stansted, but police did not say if there was any ongoing threat, or if passengers were still on board.

[Dushan]

Just a test. Working with boac on fixing a bug in code

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Israel clarifies earlier reports.
Children were not beheaded.

Soldiers were beheaded, babies were just murdered and children burnt alive.
So, that's all right then. And Hamas are just "militants".
The Torygraph has photos, if you're interested. I've just eaten.

[Pinky the pilot]

Israel clarifies earlier reports.
Children were not beheaded.

Mention of that was made in 'The Australian' Newspaper today.

It also said that the 'clarifications' were incorrect, and that the earlier reports were correct!!

The 'Fog of War' perhaps?

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

In America, Biden said he'd seen the photos. He hadn't.
That doesn't mean they don't exist now, or didn't then, just that he hadn't seen them.

The media, and the PR machine in general, would rather sensationalize than be objective, as that's what sells product.

And besides, they are out of the habit of careful reasoning and objective background work.
So many of their other narratives would fall apart if that happened.

For me, there's quite enough evidence of Hamas terrorism without needing to argue over the gory details.

[EA01]

Fact is, 6000 bombs lobbed upon and a mass congregation of Israeli forces at the doorstep to Gaza would not be happening on the 13th October, if what happened on the 7th October had not happened.

I greee it is impossible to think that that many people could move south of a creek in such a short period of time.....nut at leats Israel gives innocent Gazans a chance. Hamas claim a 2 year planning of this operation.....strange they didn't plan on sufficient food water and fuel.....well, no, not strange Hamas care not about the people they purport to represent, more deaths of innocents the better for them to parade to the media...

A death Cult of savages

[EA01]

Just been watching a live feed on the BBC from Sanaa in Yemen, so many people waving flags looking exactly like the tail of an Emirates Aircraft......and me thinking to myself its the Arabs in Saudia firing rockets at you!, are these people truly that stupid??

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

One teacher stabbed to death in France, and they are calling it terrorism
Hamas still referred to as militants on the same page.
Is the media insane, utterly corrupt, or both?

[Boac]

Why is the UN not doing anything to sort out the Israel/Palestine conflict except beat its gums? If ever there was a need for effective 'blue helmets' in Gaza it is now. If the UN does nothing then there is no justification in our funding it.

[Pinky the pilot]

If the UN does nothing then there is no justification in our funding it.

IMHO, there has been absolutely no justification in even the UN's existance for about the last 40 years!!

Unfortunately, there will never be a Nation with enough guts to stand up and say,

"You serve absolutely no good purpose in anything you do or say! All you do is consume huge amounts of (Taxpayers) money which you use to enrich yourselves, and build increasingly useless bureacracies!! So $*&# the lot of you!! We, and our financial contributions are out of here!!"

[tango15]

If the UN does nothing then there is no justification in our funding it.

IMHO, there has been absolutely no justification in even the UN's existance for about the last 40 years!!

Unfortunately, there will never be a Nation with enough guts to stand up and say,

"You serve absolutely no good purpose in anything you do or say! All you do is consume huge amounts of (Taxpayers) money which you use to enrich yourselves, and build increasingly useless bureacracies!! So $*&# the lot of you!! We, and our financial contributions are out of here!!"

I think the US did this a few years ago - the financial contributions bit - I'm not sure what's happened since.

Some years ago, I spent a few days in Geneva, one of which necessitated a visit to the UN. As I entered the building, I began to wonder whether I was in Geneva or Gabarone. There was hardly a white face to be seen, and lots of people wandering around with pieces of paper in their hands. I spoke later to a foreign diplomat, who told me (this was the early 1990s), that the UN was finished. Geneva is hardly a bargain bucket city, but he said that anyone working in Geneva could bring their extended family with them, something that the incumbents no doubt availed themselves of to the limit. He added that they and their not-inconsiderable offspring always travelled First Class and only stayed in five-star hotels. The diplomat concerned said that he had lived in Geneva for many years and since the 'Africanisation of the UN' as he described it, it had become a financial vacuum cleaner, with no results either expected or produced.
On that basis, I can only imagine what goes on inside 760 United Nations Plaza. Given that they and their families travel on diplomatic passports, they are untouchable if they commit a crime, but most of those seem to take place inside the building.

[Dushan]

If the UN does nothing then there is no justification in our funding it.

IMHO, there has been absolutely no justification in even the UN's existance for about the last 40 years!!

Unfortunately, there will never be a Nation with enough guts to stand up and say,

"You serve absolutely no good purpose in anything you do or say! All you do is consume huge amounts of (Taxpayers) money which you use to enrich yourselves, and build increasingly useless bureacracies!! So $*&# the lot of you!! We, and our financial contributions are out of here!!"

Yeah! Condos on East River! I've been saying this for years.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

A primer on Hezbollah's missiles, which may become relevant in the next few days

https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws. ... les_v3.pdf

Short version. The vast majority are short range Katyushka unguided rockets, useful only for attacking Israeli border troops and villages (most of which have already been evacuated).
They have somewhere between 200-500 unguided missiles which could reach Haifa if fired from the Lebanese-Israeli border.
They have somewhere between a dozen and a couple of hundred possibly GPS-guided missiles (e.g. modified FROG 7's) which could reach central Israel from the border. Israel has reported been jamming GPS signals over Israel since yesterday.
They may have somewhere between a dozen and a hundred (e.g. SCUD B/C) which could reach all northern and central Israeli targets from central Lebanon, or the Northern Israeli ones from Northern Lebanon. These mauy have been modded for GPS guidance.

Reportedly the US warships are prepared to aid Israeli by engaging any missiles Hezbollah may launch. Latest reports indicate 1 Ticonderoga class and 4 Arleigh Burke class warships in the Eastern Med, with an Aegis radar each and about 480 missiles between them. I would imagine the American would be prepared to use between a third and a half of them to shoot down Hezbollah missiles, saving the rest for self defence. This would seem to be sufficient to aid the Israeli Iron Dome system and take out almost all of Hezbollah's medium-to-long range stuff.

[Boac]

According to 'The Spectator',
" Israel's ambassador to the UN says his country will 'refuse to issue visas to UN representatives' after comments made by the UN's Secretary General, with the ambassador adding that 'the time has come to teach them a lesson'.

It is about time, in my opinion,that Israel grew up.

[Dushan]

It is about time, in my opinion,that Israel grew up.

Really? That's what needs to happen? Israel is at fault here and needs to "grow up"? How about these savages enter the 21st century and stop killing children and civilians? Maybe that should be the first order of the day before ask the victim to change its ways?

[Boac]

Could you clarify which 'savages' you are talking about? As far as I know Hamas have pretty well stopped barring a few rockets here and there.