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The highest-ranking Canadian officer at Norad has demolished a long-held political assumption by telling a parliamentary committee that the U.S. is under no obligation to defend Canada in the event of a ballistic missile attack.

Lt.-Gen. Pierre St-Amand laid out on Thursday — in stark terms — where the military lines of each nation begin and end in the event the North Korean crisis erupts into a shooting war.

"The extent of the U.S. policy is not to defend Canada," said St-Amand, who is the deputy commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command, which is responsible for defending the skies and maritime approaches to North America. "That's the fact I can bring to the table."

Also..

Conservative defence critic James Bezan said he was shocked to hear that North Korea doesn't consider Canada a potential enemy....

Seems there has been recent contact between Ottawa and Pyongyang so lets hope this will lead to level headed Commonwealth diplomacy pulling Trump's butt out of the fire.

But under Article 5 . . .

In Europe the US does not defend Europe either. It can defend its little patch but from Norway to Turkey it is a national responsibility to defend themselves. US Forces offer an in-place deterrent NOT a panacea foe the whole of Europe defence.

Any nation that relies on another nation for its ultimate defense is foolish. The supposed US umbrella of mutual defense is full of holes because it depends on a US president and congress willing to wage another war, and at the nuclear level, that's a challenge, particularly if the ruling regime is Democrat. If you're not American, Israeli, French, or UK citizens with your own deterrent, you should consider yourself to be on your own.

Fortunately, most Western advanced economies could field nuclear weapon deterrents fairly quickly. They should.

Of for ****'s sake. You guys protect nothing and no one but yourselves and even that fact is dubious...

You are the most preposterous pseudo thinker I have heard after Steve Bannon!

Perhaps you too write poetry and film scripts...

Please publish them here...

Caco

Here you go, Caco, one of my favorites, and it makes me think of you.


Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.

BenThere wrote:Here you go, Caco, one of my favorites, and it makes me think of you.


Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.

Ben, we share a love of the same D Adams...

Let it be so!

Caco

Cacophonix wrote:

BenThere wrote:Here you go, Caco, one of my favorites, and it makes me think of you.


Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.

Ben, we share a love of the same D Adams...

Let it be so!

Caco

When good women like this go through the **** change, you know you too are getting old and closer to death.

[bbvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=KWmETxWM0h0[/bbvideo]

Caco

The full article is here
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/north-k ... -1.4289866

Fox3, you destroyed the unreasoned unthinking debate by bringing FACTS to the table.

As I said above DEFENCE is a NATIONAL responsibility. RESPONSE is a NATO Article 5 responsibility.

In Europe the US does not defend Europe either. It can defend its little patch but from Norway to Turkey it is a national responsibility to defend themselves. US Forces offer an in-place deterrent NOT a panacea foe the whole of Europe defence.

Bit like WW2 really, they didn't defend the UK but were willing to supply materiel, at a cost, to the UK. Same with other countries today.

Facts: sorry, it's a habit. I'm getting better though...I only bring the facts I like

Friend of mine used to be on the Staff at NORAD. He was well aware that the US was defending nothing other than the US, or that slippery rascal "US interests".

And to the best of my recollection, the only nation that has ever tried to attack Canada is the US.

Caco,

Off-topic, but thanks for the pointer to a great singer in that Montreux clip - no autotune, just a clean mike and talent.

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:Facts: sorry, it's a habit. I'm getting better though...I only bring the facts I like

Friend of mine used to be on the Staff at NORAD. He was well aware that the US was defending nothing other than the US, or that slippery rascal "US interests".

And to the best of my recollection, the only nation that has ever tried to attack Canada is the US.

Britain attacked parts of Canada several times. The Quebec Expedition being one of them. Then there was the French and Indian Wars as well.

Technicaly speaking I believe the Quebec Expedition predated Canada's existance .

Technically, then, as Canada was established in 1867, what attacks occurred after that? Most of the fighting in Canada before that involved French vs. British.

American forces engaged during the War of 1812 with Britain, and Canada was involved, mostly over who would control the Great Lakes and Ohio River Valley which involved kicking the Brits out of the area. Later, there was conflict over the Oregon Territory, again with the British. We won both of those and then we controlled our part of the Continent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there has ever been any hint of armed conflict between the US and Canada after independence.

As I live close to the US-Canadian border, and have for much of my life (in fact I'm going to a Steely Dan concert in Windsor, Ontario and spending the night at Caesars Windsor in a few weeks) I'm comfortable to say there is no friendlier border anywhere. Probably much friendlier than the border between England and Scotland.

BenThere wrote:. We won both of those....

...alternative fact?

Have a look at this scholarly assessment, John. I'll be interested in your critique from your perspective. The initial You Tube forwards into another with even more depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTTUUR0vDQQ

Then, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL7XS_8qgXM

What's your alternative?

Your 'victory' of 1815 was very much like the American 'victories' we have come to know in the last 60+ years, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. In every case victory declared but no objectives achieved.

Hi John
To be fair to the US, us Brits have done our fair share of this too. My uncle was in Aden with the paras. I asked him how it ended.
'As usual', he replied.
'Declare Victory, and leave'.

I am sure a whole book could be written about the sanitized, exaggerated and plain fabricated glorious exploits of the US military, a whole book but the British have an entire library on the subject. Funny thing is though that I don't often hear Brits bragging about it, not often.

AK, and Kenya.