Immigrants

[OFSO]

On France 24 TV this morning the reporter was interviewing immigrants waiting to enter Hungary. One family came from Cuba. Cuba ?

[Capetonian]

Yesterday on Sky there was a programme about an organisation called MOAS which is picking up immigrants off the coast of Libya and transporting them to Malta and Italy. A lot of them are from Morocco and Algeria, and they are economic migrants, not refugees in danger of persecution.

They might as well just put them straight onto a cruise ship to the UK. This bunch of do-gooders are doing more harm than good, and its time these do-gooders kept out of the situation. A couple of boats need to sink with loss of life, and thousands of lives will be saved further on as a consequence when they see that they are not going to be rescued and transported to Europe.

I don't know how the Hungarian referendum is going but my guess is that they will vote against allowing more immigrants in as per the EU dictated 'quota', after all they are 'racist' a nation that wants to keep itself pure and keep the country to themselves or to people who are willing to contribute.

[OFSO]

Nope, not enough people turned out to vote so the result was negated. Pity, I was hoping that at last a nation had appeared who cared about the issue. Evidently not.

[500N]

Nope, not enough people turned out to vote so the result was negated. Pity, I was hoping that at last a nation had appeared who cared about the issue. Evidently not.

Deleted.

[MoreBloodyAviation]

Well the **** Abbos shouldn't have allowed you in mate! Nor the Spanish.


MBA

[500N]

95% but vote invalid as less than 50% turn out.

That is a very high vote. Pity more encouragement wasn't put into getting people to vote.

[MoreBloodyAviation]

Are you as big a moron as I think you are my friend?

MBA

[Magnus]

Do you select many morons as friends, MBA? Just curious.

[MoreBloodyAviation]

Do you select many morons as friends, MBA? Just curious.

Often, Magnus, often!

They look curiously like me sometimes!

Therein lies the basis of a narcissistic sociopath.

MBA

[Magnus]

Haha. I sometimes select friends who later turn out to be morons. I like the female ones . . . .

[Capetonian]

It has been 'suggested' and 'implied' that the vote may not be valid to a low turnout, which is a great shame, but I don't see anything to substantiate this as fact.

Even if it is declared invalid, it sends a strong message and hopefully other nations as brave as the Hungarians will follow suit. My guess is that Poland and the Baltic states will follow, then CZ and SK.

[500N]

It has been 'suggested' and 'implied' that the vote may not be valid to a low turnout, which is a great shame, but I don't see anything to substantiate this as fact.

Even if it is declared invalid, it sends a strong message and hopefully other nations as brave as the Hungarians will follow suit. My guess is that Poland and the Baltic states will follow, then CZ and SK.

I agree, even though the media are saying it will make the PM's job of negotiating with the EU hard
but I disagree, it sends a strong message. He can always say "well, I'll hold another referendum and
make sure it gets over 50% and then come back" which they wouldn't want.

Either way, the tide has turned, the horse has bolted and Brexit has unleashed a wave of countries
that will be sending messages to the EU.

[OFSO]

Invalid, valid, schmvalid...who cares ? The government now has a mandate to implement policy based on the results of those three million plus citizens who DID vote.

Mind you, Brussels has said "this does not represent the will of the people...." and who should know better than Brussels what their citizens really want ?

[BenThere]

I think Hungarians sent the message loud and clear. The EU and Merkel cannot impose suicidal social policy on Hungary. Good for Hungary! Orbán has stepped up to the level of Pope John Paul II, Havel and Walensa in the Hall of Fame of Eastern European icons of Freedom.

[OFSO]

stepped up to the level of Pope John Paul II,

Off Topic

Did you know he organised a monthly sausage flight from Warsaw to Rome while he was Pope ?

Speaking as one who loves spicey sausage I think that's pretty good. Oh and I believe he also liked cats. Doubleplus good.

[BenThere]

I had the privilege and honor of attending the last Christmas mass John Paul II performed at the Vatican on Christmas Eve 2004. He was carried in on a coach, lights shining on him, but his radiance filled the cathedral. The nuns and clerics around us were weeping with joy at his presence and their emotion flowed to me as well. His coach passed about 10 feet from where our seats were, and I think that's about as close as I've come to greatness in my life. Pope John Paul II was an epochal, pure, and benevolent man. He will be a saint one day. And his faith helped bring down the socialist enslavement of Eastern Europe and Russia. Brings a tear to my eye still, remembering seeing him there in Rome, 2005. Pope John Paul II died shortly after that service. How blessed I was to be in his presence that day!

[OFSO]

Following the release of figures which reveal almost four in ten children under five have foreign roots, Michael Paulwitz says the demographic change will be the death of Germany’s welfare state.

The journalist and historian predicts that “hard struggles” over resources will take place when ethnic Germans are a minority, and that native Germans “will inevitably lose out”.

Mr Paulwitz’ article follows the release on Friday of official figures from the Federal Statistics Office. While they show 21 per cent of the total population currently have a migrant background he notes that such people are disproportionately represented in the younger age cohorts.

One in three people aged under 18 who are resident in Germany have foreign roots, and the number jumps to 36 per cent among people under five.

This, he ominously points out, “allows one to appreciate where [Germany] is headed”. Mr Paulwitz points to the demographics of Berlin, where people with a migration background comprise 30 per cent of residents.

Mr Paulwitz also mentions that ethnic Germans are already minority in the district centre and many of the surrounding central districts.
With these trends in mind, he observes: “First in the cities, later throughout the country, ethnic Germans are to become a minority in their own city and in their own country.

“Will Germany still be, in the coming years and decades, the land of the Germans when immigration of people from non-European cultures continues at a high level?” Mr Paulwitz asks.

The historian writes that “one does not need much imagination to imagine how profoundly the population picture will change within the next two decades”.

He calls attention to the fact that in this time frame many current pensioners will die and that the, mainly German lineage, cohort of 45 to 65 year olds — those “at the peak of their working lives” with regards to paying taxes — will have withdrawn from the workforce.

The demographic statistics for this year also show that people with foreign roots are twice as likely to be unemployed than Germans and are significantly more likely to have been educated to only a lower secondary school level, or have no education background at all.

Mr Paulwitz writes: “The social and redistributive state as we know it will no longer be affordable at its present level when the population is no longer dominated by ethnic Germans, and is a multicultural population mix.”

Collected in mid 2015, the Federal Statistics Office data fails to reflect the more than 1.6 million migrants who arrived in 2015 and the first half of 2016, or the huge number of estimated illegal immigrants living in Germany.

Mr Paulwitz points out that while Angela Merkel’s open door policy was a “dramatic escalation” of previous policies, even before she “opened the lock” a quarter of people aged between 15 and 45 had foreign roots in 2014.

He contends that these demographic trends can only increase as, “through family reunification, this number [1.6 million] is expected to at least double if not multiply”.

Furthermore he observes there is an “inexhaustible supply” of Arabs and Africans who want to move to Germany. The historian typifies them as “second, third and fourth sons” of families, who are “demanding” but “lack the education or drive to create their own wealth”.

Taking all of this into account, Mr Paulwitz diagnoses a grim future for Germany and its native population. He forecasts “hard struggles over resources will be the result” and contends that ethnic Germans are “pacified” and “ageing”.

Considering the huge number of people with foreign roots already present, their far higher fertility rate and no sign of an end to the country’s policy of importing hundreds of thousands of migrants a year, Mr Paulwitz says indigenous Germans “will inevitably lose out”. He also foresees that “the sexual assaults, a result of the surplus men imported, will increase”.

Mr Paulwitz concludes: “A government that decides to change the ethnic and cultural structure of the country without asking its people violates the principle of popular sovereignty, constitutional lawyer Dietrich Murswiek has said … It’s surprising that citizens have begun to fight it at the ballot, but more surprising is that so few are doing so.”

[probes]

"With these trends in mind, he observes: “First in the cities, later throughout the country, ethnic Germans are to become a minority in their own city and in their own country."

Maybe, even though migrants generally tend to stick to the (yet) wealthy cities. Think about the just handful (compared to the hundreds of thousands elsewhere) who have agreed to go to the 'former socialist block' or even anywhere except Ger and the UK.

[OFSO]

I was reading the headlines on a German newspaper this morning, which said "Angela Merkel has no plans to abandon her policy on taking immigrants, and in fact, plans to strengthen it."

If my interpretation of this intreaguing statement is correct, good news for the millions of Africans waiting on the other side of the 'Med.

[Capetonian]

Bad news for European civilisation. A tragedy in the making.