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Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war

#1401 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:26 pm

Seenenough wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:03 pm
A little off subject but I have sat in Hospice with my Father,my Brother and my Mother and here in the US my Uncle who was my Mother's Brother.

The world would be less of a place without the blessing of the ability of Hospice to hasten the end of the suffering.
I am sorry to hear it Seen.

Amen to your last sentiment.

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#1402 Post by John Hill » Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:30 am

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Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:01 pm
The first true too, but in my world is it not fair that those who have the most should be able to give more (and the US mostly does to be fair)?
Kissinger knew all about food and fairness but what is different?
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#1403 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:35 am

John Hill wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:30 am
TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:01 pm
The first true too, but in my world is it not fair that those who have the most should be able to give more (and the US mostly does to be fair)?
Kissinger knew all about food and fairness but what is different?
Cruelty uber alles.

Maybe I should embrace religion as opposed to real politik, or maybe both like that barsteward Kiril.. (may he die a painful death)...

Kiril, the Russian bar steward!

In a just world, he and the little dictator Putin (the son of a prostitute) would be hanged in public!
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#1404 Post by Seenenough » Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:43 am

Hit the hay Gob-you have had a tough day or two

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Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war

#1405 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:45 am

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Hit the hay Gob-you have had a tough day or two
I am good Seen. It has been a tough day, thank you for your care.
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#1406 Post by Boac » Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:04 pm

Uke's say they have brought down an SU-35 https://www.airlive.net/a-russian-su-35 ... f-ukraine/

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#1407 Post by boing » Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:55 pm

Here's a crazy idea. What, if instead of getting into a slugfest in Donbas, the Ukrainians moved against Kherson and Crimea. The Russians could not ignore this. This would put the Ukrainians as far away as possible from potential heavy Russian forces moving over the border and it would increase the length of the Russian supply lines. Instead of being potentially surrounded the Ukrainians would have friendly territory behind them and a relatively narrow battle front ahead of them. By destroying bridges on the Dneiper river it could make a Russian encircling move difficult.

The Russian supply lines to defend Sevastopol would have to be by sea or by a relatively long, thin, route along the coast susceptible to random attacks. Resupply through Kerch would draw forces away from the intended battle zone.

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#1408 Post by Boac » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:18 am

Is anyone able to identify the Russian missile used on Kramatorsk train station - was it guided or ballistic?

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#1409 Post by Boac » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:28 am

I guess this is the appropriate topic in which to report that the Finnish government is expected to announce a bid to join NATO on 14/4. That should produce some response!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/f ... 93288.html

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#1410 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:41 pm

Boac wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:18 am
Is anyone able to identify the Russian missile used on Kramatorsk train station - was it guided or ballistic?
Dozens killed in train station missile strike in eastern Ukraine as civilians try to flee Russian onslaught

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/k ... index.html

At least 50 people, including five children, were killed after Russian forces carried out a missile strike on a railway station in Kramatorsk, eastern Ukraine, that was being used by civilians trying to flee the fighting, Ukrainian officials said Friday.

Pavlo Kyrylenko, the head of the regional military administration in Donetsk, where the attack took place, said that 98 wounded people – 16 children, 46 were women and 36 men – were taken to local hospitals.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said earlier that nearly 300 people were wounded in the strike.

In an address to Finland’s parliament on Friday, Zelensky said that the “Russian military hit the railway terminal,” adding: “There are witnesses, there are videos, there are remnants of the missiles and dead people.”

He said that “people (were) crowded waiting for the trains to be evacuated to the safe territory” at the station. “Why do they need to hit civilians with missiles? Why this cruelty that the world has witnessed in Bucha and other cities liberated by the Ukrainian army?” Zelensky asked lawmakers.

Local police said in a statement that the rockets struck a temporary waiting room, where “hundreds of people were waiting for the evacuation train.”

“This is another proof that Russia is brutally, barbarically killing the civilian Ukrainians, with one goal only – to kill,” the mayor of Kramatorsk said in a statement.

The mayor said that some 8,000 people per day were going to the station to evacuate during the last two weeks. As many as 4,000 people were there when the missile struck.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba called the attack a “deliberate slaughter.”

“Russians knew that the train station in Kramatorsk was full of civilians waiting to be evacuated,” he said.

The Russian Ministry of Defense issued a statement Friday calling the missile strike a “provocation,” in a statement that mirrored recent denials of the indiscriminate killing of civilians in the Kyiv suburb of Bucha.

“All the statements of representatives of the Kyiv nationalist regime about the alleged ‘missile attack’ by Russia on April 8 at the railway station in Kramatorsk are a provocation and absolutely do not correspond to reality,” the statement said.

“On April 8, the Russian armed forces did not conduct or plan any artillery fires in the city of Kramatorsk. We emphasize that the Tochka-U tactical missiles, the wreckage of which was found near the Kramatorsk railway station and published by eyewitnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces.”

Ukrainian forces have the Soviet-designed Tochka missile in their inventory but it has also been used by Russian and separatist forces in the past.


Russia’s military and senior officials have issued blanket denials of attacks against civilians, most recently claiming – without evidence – that the massacre of civilians in Bucha was staged. The killing of civilians during the Russian occupation of the town has been extensively documented.


The words "for children" are seen written on the side of a missile laying near the Kramatorsk railway station. The video was shared to social media by Ukraine's President Zelensky shortly after the attack. CNN cannot confirm who wrote the words on the missile.
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The eastern city of Kramatorsk was one of the first places to be targeted by the Russian military when the invasion of Ukraine was launched on February 24. Ihnatchenko said Ukrainians had been using the train station since late February to evacuate the region.

“The Russians knew that thousands of people are there (at the train station) every day,” she said.

Two missiles struck the station, according to the head of Ukraine’s national rail system, Oleksandr Kamyshin. Pavlo Kyrylenko, the head of Donetsk regional military administration, said the Russian military used Iskander short-range ballistic missiles.

CNN Chief International Anchor Christiane Amanpour said the attack was reminiscent of one on a marketplace in Sarajevo during the war in Bosnia, where “ordinary civilians were massacred as they just went about their business.”

Amanpour said such attacks on civilians tend to harden Western resolve and could push the European Union to enact even more sanctions on Russia. Brussels has already approved five rounds of sanctions against Russia since it invaded Ukraine.

The EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, condemned the “indiscriminate attack,” while EU President Charles Michel called it “horrifying.”

“This is yet another attempt to close escape routes for those fleeing this unjustified war and cause human suffering,” Borrell said.

Borrell and EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen are scheduled to meet Ukrainian President Zelensky this week in Kyiv.

The attack comes as Russian forces are preparing for a massive operation in eastern Ukraine to take the contested region of Donbas, Ukrainian authorities say.

Donbas is home to the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, two separatist enclaves that Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized as independent shortly before Russia invaded Ukraine.

For almost eight years, the two regions have been the site of a low-intensity war between Russian-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces. More than 14,000 people died in the fighting, and now Kyiv is bracing for more casualties.

Kuleba, the Ukrainian foreign minister, said the “battle for Donbas” is already underway. He said that the fighting there will be reminiscent of the destructive battles during World War II, as Moscow’s offensive could involve “thousands of tanks, armored vehicles, planes, artillery.”

British intelligence assesses that Russian troops have “fully withdrawn” from northern Ukraine to Belarus and Russia, and many could be transferred to eastern Ukraine to fight in Donbas. Ukrainian military officials also say they have observed a buildup of Russian forces to the east.

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#1412 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:53 pm

PHXPhlyer wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:41 pm
Boac wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:18 am
Is anyone able to identify the Russian missile used on Kramatorsk train station - was it guided or ballistic?
Dozens killed in train station missile strike in eastern Ukraine as civilians try to flee Russian onslaught

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/k ... index.html

At least 50 people, including five children, were killed after Russian forces carried out a missile strike on a railway station in Kramatorsk, eastern Ukraine, that was being used by civilians trying to flee the fighting, Ukrainian officials said Friday.

Pavlo Kyrylenko, the head of the regional military administration in Donetsk, where the attack took place, said that 98 wounded people – 16 children, 46 were women and 36 men – were taken to local hospitals.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said earlier that nearly 300 people were wounded in the strike.

In an address to Finland’s parliament on Friday, Zelensky said that the “Russian military hit the railway terminal,” adding: “There are witnesses, there are videos, there are remnants of the missiles and dead people.”

He said that “people (were) crowded waiting for the trains to be evacuated to the safe territory” at the station. “Why do they need to hit civilians with missiles? Why this cruelty that the world has witnessed in Bucha and other cities liberated by the Ukrainian army?” Zelensky asked lawmakers.

Local police said in a statement that the rockets struck a temporary waiting room, where “hundreds of people were waiting for the evacuation train.”

“This is another proof that Russia is brutally, barbarically killing the civilian Ukrainians, with one goal only – to kill,” the mayor of Kramatorsk said in a statement.

The mayor said that some 8,000 people per day were going to the station to evacuate during the last two weeks. As many as 4,000 people were there when the missile struck.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba called the attack a “deliberate slaughter.”

“Russians knew that the train station in Kramatorsk was full of civilians waiting to be evacuated,” he said.

The Russian Ministry of Defense issued a statement Friday calling the missile strike a “provocation,” in a statement that mirrored recent denials of the indiscriminate killing of civilians in the Kyiv suburb of Bucha.

“All the statements of representatives of the Kyiv nationalist regime about the alleged ‘missile attack’ by Russia on April 8 at the railway station in Kramatorsk are a provocation and absolutely do not correspond to reality,” the statement said.

“On April 8, the Russian armed forces did not conduct or plan any artillery fires in the city of Kramatorsk. We emphasize that the Tochka-U tactical missiles, the wreckage of which was found near the Kramatorsk railway station and published by eyewitnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces.”

Ukrainian forces have the Soviet-designed Tochka missile in their inventory but it has also been used by Russian and separatist forces in the past.


Russia’s military and senior officials have issued blanket denials of attacks against civilians, most recently claiming – without evidence – that the massacre of civilians in Bucha was staged. The killing of civilians during the Russian occupation of the town has been extensively documented.


The words "for children" are seen written on the side of a missile laying near the Kramatorsk railway station. The video was shared to social media by Ukraine's President Zelensky shortly after the attack. CNN cannot confirm who wrote the words on the missile.
Anatalii Stepanov/AFP/Getty Images
The eastern city of Kramatorsk was one of the first places to be targeted by the Russian military when the invasion of Ukraine was launched on February 24. Ihnatchenko said Ukrainians had been using the train station since late February to evacuate the region.

“The Russians knew that thousands of people are there (at the train station) every day,” she said.

Two missiles struck the station, according to the head of Ukraine’s national rail system, Oleksandr Kamyshin. Pavlo Kyrylenko, the head of Donetsk regional military administration, said the Russian military used Iskander short-range ballistic missiles.

CNN Chief International Anchor Christiane Amanpour said the attack was reminiscent of one on a marketplace in Sarajevo during the war in Bosnia, where “ordinary civilians were massacred as they just went about their business.”

Amanpour said such attacks on civilians tend to harden Western resolve and could push the European Union to enact even more sanctions on Russia. Brussels has already approved five rounds of sanctions against Russia since it invaded Ukraine.

The EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, condemned the “indiscriminate attack,” while EU President Charles Michel called it “horrifying.”

“This is yet another attempt to close escape routes for those fleeing this unjustified war and cause human suffering,” Borrell said.

Borrell and EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen are scheduled to meet Ukrainian President Zelensky this week in Kyiv.

The attack comes as Russian forces are preparing for a massive operation in eastern Ukraine to take the contested region of Donbas, Ukrainian authorities say.

Donbas is home to the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, two separatist enclaves that Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized as independent shortly before Russia invaded Ukraine.

For almost eight years, the two regions have been the site of a low-intensity war between Russian-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces. More than 14,000 people died in the fighting, and now Kyiv is bracing for more casualties.

Kuleba, the Ukrainian foreign minister, said the “battle for Donbas” is already underway. He said that the fighting there will be reminiscent of the destructive battles during World War II, as Moscow’s offensive could involve “thousands of tanks, armored vehicles, planes, artillery.”

British intelligence assesses that Russian troops have “fully withdrawn” from northern Ukraine to Belarus and Russia, and many could be transferred to eastern Ukraine to fight in Donbas. Ukrainian military officials also say they have observed a buildup of Russian forces to the east.

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Re-read says Iskander missiles. :-? :-??

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#1413 Post by boing » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:50 pm

Re my post #1407 that was totally ignored.
Nice to see at least one General is thinking exactly the same way.

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#1414 Post by Boac » Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:20 pm

Further to my earlier post, this from the Times today: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/finl ... 1649657102

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#1415 Post by barkingmad » Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:09 pm

Boac wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:18 am
Is anyone able to identify the Russian missile used on Kramatorsk train station - was it guided or ballistic?
I fell across this whilst stumbling around rabbit holes for which I have been criticised in the past;

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/m ... .html#more

I have no dog in this race as I don't know enough about solid-rocket propelled pointy killing things, therefore I offer the article for discussion and possibly even a shootdown.

But, heyho, no change there then... :-? :-w

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#1416 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:44 pm

barkingmad wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:09 pm
Boac wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:18 am
Is anyone able to identify the Russian missile used on Kramatorsk train station - was it guided or ballistic?
I fell across this whilst stumbling around rabbit holes for which I have been criticised in the past;

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/m ... .html#more

I have no dog in this race as I don't know enough about solid-rocket propelled pointy killing things, therefore I offer the article for discussion and possibly even a shootdown.

But, heyho, no change there then... :-? :-w
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#1417 Post by Boac » Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:58 pm

Who knows? My interest was in the terminal guidance.

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#1418 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:18 pm

Boac wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:58 pm
Who knows? My interest was in the terminal guidance.
The Scarab B (aka Tochka U) uses a combination of GPS and radar guidance in its terminal phase. Some have an optical correlation system in this phase (a truly misguided missile).
The use of area correlation in terminal guidance requires that the system cross correlate a stored reference with the observed scene and have the capacity for handling variations in aspect angle, rotation, scale and intensity. This correlation must be made in real time at a low false alarm rate. Digital techniques can accomplish the preceding requirements but have several limiting characteristics. The number of resolution elements that can be processed is limited by the available core memory. Even with well-chosen algorithms, a large number of multiplications and additions are required and these increase with the number of resolution elements. Parallel processing can reduce the time required to perform this very large number of operations but requires increased complexity and cost.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA056421.pdf

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#1419 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:39 pm

boing wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:50 pm
Re my post #1407 that was totally ignored.
It wasn't... ;)))
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#1420 Post by admin2 » Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:44 am

JH/TGG - it will come as little surprise that your wish has been granted.

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