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Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:09 pm
by ricardian
CO fined for selling spent ammo worth £20k
Captain Steven Child, 48, admitted negligence after brass casings were taken to recycling centres in the US and exchanged for cash.
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:24 pm
by Boac
An extreme case of 'money back on the empties'?
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:30 pm
by PHXPhlyer
Any ideas on the type of casings?
Depending on the type they could have possibly made more by selling it as souvenirs.
PP
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:34 pm
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
Is that the reason for the charge of Negligence rather than Theft?
"Amateurs! I'm surrounded by amateurs!"
I await 4ma's input.
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:11 am
by boing
The "recycling centres" were probably groups that resold the empty cases for home reloading. Once fired cases are in great demand.
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Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:13 am
by PHXPhlyer
His uni looks more like F1 or NASCAR.
Is that a thing in SF or what ever they are?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21285228/ ... ling-ammo/#
Still want to know what they were shooting.
PP
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:26 am
by TheGreenAnger
PHXPhlyer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:13 am
His uni looks more like F1 or NASCAR.
Is that a thing in SF or what ever they are?
PP
It is the standard display jumpsuit of the
Red Devils, British Army and Parachute Regiment Display team.
I am guessing that they might have been practice firing the SA80 A2, NATO standard weapon, probably at a general range used by other units as well.
Selling casings like this should have resulted in him being "fired" as the result of a Court Martial.
Negligence, the money was only resting in my account!
Fined four days pay for accidently not flying 10 tons of casings back to the UK and not remitting the equivalent £20,000 to the MOD? There must be more to this story than is being told in that report!
One might have assumed the CO might have been in for the high jump over this but not so much it seems!
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:06 pm
by 4mastacker
Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:34 pm
Is that the reason for the charge of Negligence rather than Theft?
"Amateurs! I'm surrounded by amateurs!"
I await 4ma's input.
Bear in mind it's in The Sun.
Depends what was written in the Op Order - that's assuming the Army do that sort of thing - which should have detailed the disposal arrangements for material. Who knows? The Sun didn't give a full account of the CM's proceedings; it only went for the sensationalist headline.
I can't ever recall an occasion when used ammo cases were flown back to the UK after an exercise - the alleged 10 tons of fired brass is quite an amount; must have been a right old gun fight.
I don't see any mention that he personally trousered the cash.
The way I read that report, he was done for negligence which suggests he didn't follow the instructions in the relevant Op Order/Army missive on the disposal of kit.
Just looked at Arrse. It would appear the money was paid into their unit's non-Public welfare fund rather than refunded to the Public Purse.
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:17 pm
by TheGreenAnger
4mastacker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:06 pm
Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:34 pm
Is that the reason for the charge of Negligence rather than Theft?
"Amateurs! I'm surrounded by amateurs!"
I await 4ma's input.
Bear in mind it's in The Sun.
Depends what was written in the Op Order - that's assuming the Army do that sort of thing - which should have detailed the disposal arrangements for material. Who knows? The Sun didn't give a full account of the CM's proceedings; it only went for the sensationalist headline.
I can't ever recall an occasion when used ammo cases were flown back to the UK after an exercise - the alleged 10 tons of fired brass is quite an amount; must have been a right old gun fight.
I don't see any mention that he personally trousered the cash.
The way I read that report, he was done for negligence which suggests he didn't follow the instructions in the relevant Op Order/Army missive on the disposal of kit.
Just looked at Arrse. It would appear the money was paid into their unit's non-Public welfare fund rather than refunded to the Public Purse.
4ma has cut through The Sun's usual tentendtious gibberish and come up with a lucid explanation.
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:38 pm
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
I knew he'd know!
Ta, 4ma.
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:42 pm
by Pontius Navigator
A 4kg practice bomb contains an aluminum slug, the shape of a cotton reel, the size of a small can. EOD would collect these off the beach. Serco would split them and remove the spent cartridge.
The local scrapie would hand over cash for the clean aluminium which went into the party fund.
A lot of material, such as this, could have been returned to factory for reuse. I contacted Ultra who did not even reply.
Re: Red Devils CO in trouble
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:44 pm
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
Oh well,
Never look a gift horse in the mouth
..unless you are a Trojan, of course
