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#1 Post by barkingmad » Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:22 pm

Of concern to our offspring and their offspring when the Net Zero kit comes to the end of it's life;

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bil ... -them.html

A gloomy prospect but just think of all those panels which will need skilful dismantling and the recovery of their precious metals, guaranteeing employment for many in the coming decades?

Unless of course AI will make a better hash of the task... :-? :-w

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#2 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:55 pm

The first generation of solar panels will wear out. A recycling industry is taking shape
Plans to address climate change rely on massively scaling up clean, solar electricity, but recycling solar panels can be a challenge.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environ ... -rcna97562

Sunlight beats down on a graveyard for dead solar panels in Yuma, Arizona, hundreds stacked in neat piles, waiting for their next life. The great majority of worn and damaged panels are still dumped in landfills. But with more and more piling up, many people know that needs to change.

In this desert city where Arizona, California, Sonora and Baja California meet, North America’s first utility-scale solar panel recycling plant has opened to address what founders of We Recycle Solar call a “tsunami” of solar waste. Plans to address climate change rely on massively scaling up clean, solar electricity.

The panels, stacked and banded, come here from the company’s main collection warehouse in Hackettstown, New Jersey, plus six other locations across the country.

Workers maneuver the stacks into the sprawling 75,000 square foot facility on forklifts, then gently lift each out by hand to begin separating by brand and model. Some only have a few cracks in their glass, sometimes from storm damage.

These can be reused, said Adam Saghei, CEO of We Recycle Solar, and there is a market for them — clients around the world who search for refurbished panels for their affordability. The Yuma facility, he says, is like “your local thrift store that looks to upcycle.”

Some have been sold for example at the store Mercados Solar in Carolina, Puerto Rico.

Those that don’t go towards testing and resale head down a conveyor belt where glass, metals, and other materials with value are separated.

Solar panels are built to withstand decades of harsh weather, so it’s difficult to break the resilient bonding that keeps them together. Separating the glass without it shattering, for example, is a challenge. But with robotic suction arms assisted by workers, they come apart.

Some of the highest value materials are copper, silver, aluminum, glass, and crystalline silicon. Repurposing these means finding new uses for them, such as selling glass to companies that do sandblasting.

For Saghei, the inspiration for the company came in 2017. He was working in the computer electronic waste sector, seeing solar spread across warehouse roofs and wondering where it would go eventually. He realized green technology doesn’t stay green once it is decommissioned or retired.

“Solar energy is a great technology, but it can feed a whole industry like aluminum and glass. Why are we spending tens of millions of dollars on these materials from overseas when we can produce them right here, right now?” he thought.

Copper is one metal the recycling yields, said Dwight Clark, director of compliance and recycling technology at We Recycle Solar, as others nearby sorted incoming panels. “Granted, it’s not a lot of pounds per solar panel. But when we do 10,000 pounds of solar panels an hour, we end up with a hundreds pounds of copper an hour coming out of it,” he said.

“The aluminum ... could come back as more solar panel frames or it could go into the flight deck of a new Boeing aircraft.”

By 2050, solar waste will total some 78 million tons globally, said Mool Gupta, a professor in the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering at University of Virginia. The reason recycling and recovery isn’t robust yet, Gupta said, is that companies struggle to justify the $30 per panel cost when it costs only $1 to send it to a landfill.

If we hope to one day see 100% of retired solar recycled, said Garvin Heath, distinguished member of the research staff at the Department of Energy’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory, “Let’s not make it any more expensive than what it would cost to landfill the module ... let’s not have it cost the consumer anything and instead have it break even for the recycler.”

Other companies are starting to get into the business.

Solarcycle, a startup based in Odessa, Texas, raised $30 million earlier this year, led by Fifth Wall, an asset manager focused on building decarbonization. And Solarpanelrecycling.com is an affiliate of electronics recycler PowerHouse Recycling.

The European Union has rules that require recycling of electronic waste under its Waste Electrical and Electronic Waste Directive (WEEE).

Market researcher Visiongain estimates the global market at US $138 million for last year and growing fast, boosted in part by incentives offered in the Inflation Reduction Act in the U.S.

As fast as possible, Jack Groppo, professor of mining engineering at the University of Kentucky, says, people have to stop scrapping the modules. “Once the solar panels go into the landfill, they’re gone unless we go back and mine the landfill,” he said.

Groppo estimates that in 20 years people will mine landfills to recover valuable materials in the junked panels, but “it makes an awful lot more sense for us to separate them now.”

The Yuma facility can process 7,500 panels in a single day or roughly 69 million pounds per year. As of early June, it estimates more than 650,000 tons of carbon dioxide have been avoided. It is reusing about 60% of the panels that come in.

The company plans to open another recycling facility alongside a large solar manufacturer in the Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina corridor.

For now, solar recycling companies are still figuring out how to make money. We Recycle Solar sends out employees to dismantle large solar arrays and that is currently its biggest source of revenue. Reselling refurbished solar panels is number two, and recycling brings in the least. Decommissioning and resale are actually subsidizing some of the recycling costs, Saghei said.

But Gupta said these profitability challenges are temporary and will be overcome. Researchers are hard at work on solving them, he said.

“Too many lives are lost to pollution and solar is one of the top solutions.”

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Re: Solar panels

#3 Post by llondel » Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:00 am

If there's a large number of panels to be recycled then it's going to be worth someone's while to invest in what it takes. Should be relatively easy compared to a lot of recycling, because the panels will mostly be free of other crud - strip off the side and any electronics or wiring on the back and remove the top sealant (don't know if that will peel or has to be dissolved), probably all tasks that can be automated, and what's left is the panel itself, which can be surrendered to whatever cauldron of recycling witchcraft is required to extract the useful bits.

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Re: Solar panels

#4 Post by OFSO » Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:11 am

Usually some spare photons fall out, that were trapped under the frame. Good idea to wear tinted glasses.

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#5 Post by Ex-Ascot » Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:47 am

Solar power here is big business. Most of the luxury camps have massive arrays. We are totally solar with generator backup. Can't imagine for a second that panels here get recycled.
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#6 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:32 am

We just had panels fitted. First time the economics stacked up and at 10 years will probably see us out. More important than panels is the battery. Panels are fine for cooking and machines during the day but once the sun is over the yard arm the battery does the heavy lifting and generally sees us through the night.

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#7 Post by unifoxos » Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:49 am

More important than panels is the battery. Panels are fine for cooking and machines during the day but once the sun is over the yard arm the battery does the heavy lifting and generally sees us through the night.

Same here - charge it up on Economy 7 at night and use the stored leccy during the day time. This contributes more to the financial viability than the panels do here-abouts.
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Re: Solar panels

#8 Post by OFSO » Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:57 am

I did a quote. Payback time in our locality was 12 years, obviously less if one buys an electric car. The solar panels are not financial viable at my age. A pity as I'd like to have told Endesa to get stuffed..

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#9 Post by OFSO » Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:07 pm

How do solar cells cope with hailstones big enough to punch thru corrugated roofing panels? And sticky Sahara Sand: I'm not capable of getting up on the roof to clean them....

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#10 Post by llondel » Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm

Payback on ours is around six years. This includes the 30% federal tax credit, so knocking almost a third off the price. The rules have changed for new installs so it's about 12 years now (PG&E doesn't like it when people don't give them money).

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#11 Post by Ex-Ascot » Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:56 pm

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How do solar cells cope with hailstones big enough to punch thru corrugated roofing panels? And sticky Sahara Sand: I'm not capable of getting up on the roof to clean them....
Our panels get washed down for the Kalihari sand once a week with a hose.
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#12 Post by llondel » Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:16 pm

Ex-Ascot wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:56 pm
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Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:07 pm
How do solar cells cope with hailstones big enough to punch thru corrugated roofing panels? And sticky Sahara Sand: I'm not capable of getting up on the roof to clean them....
Our panels get washed down for the Kalihari sand once a week with a hose.
I probably need to go wash ours, except that's a 2-story house with a ladder to get to them. They're probably 10% down on what they should be doing at the moment. Not as bad as some years, when they get covered in ash.

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#13 Post by OFSO » Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:45 pm

Hosepipes banned here after 30 months drought. No roof access anyway.

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#14 Post by 1DC » Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:42 pm

Our solar panels paid back after 4.5 years the batteries will take about 6 so three years to go. We live alongside a dusty lane and the panels are hosed as required, twice a week in the worst case.

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#15 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:59 pm

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Our solar panels paid back after 4.5 years the batteries will take about 6 so three years to go. We live alongside a dusty lane and the panels are hosed as required, twice a week in the worst case.
Good to hear. I have factored my prices assuming a 5% pa electricity increase and it more or less matches yours.

We should not have your dust problem as we are on a very quiet area. Will ask our window cleaners they use long lances.

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#16 Post by 1DC » Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:58 pm

We are single story and a hose is suitable.

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